ARMY | DRB | CY2005 | 20050005497
Certificates of Achievement, Letters of Appreciation, and similar documents are not authorized for entry on a Soldier's DD Form 214. The military medal of gold and green the applicant described is not an authorized medal awarded by the Army or by the Department of Defense to Army personnel. From the description of the medal given by the applicant, the description of the event – a world wide event, his geographical assignment at the time, and the evidence – that he received a certificate of...
ARMY | DRB | CY2005 | 20050005545
Remarks: NONE SECTION B - Prior Service Data NONE Other discharge(s): Service From To Type Discharge PART IV - PREHEARING REVIEW SECTION A-ANALYST’S ASSESSMENT l. Facts and Circumstances: a. Minority views: NONE PART VII - BOARD ACTION SECTION B - Verification and Authentication Case report reviewed and verified Ms. McKim-Spilker Case Reviewing Official PART VIII - DIRECTIVE/CERTIFICATION SECTION A - DIRECTIVE TO: ARBA Support Division-St Louis Date: 2 December 2005 The Army Discharge...
ARMY | DRB | CY2005 | 20050005549
SECTION B - Prior Service Data Other discharge(s): Service From To Type Discharge RA 961119 991129 Honorable PART IV - PREHEARING REVIEW SECTION A-ANALYST’S ASSESSMENT l. Facts and Circumstances: a. Applicant's issue(s) of propriety and/or equity: ( X ) Same as those listed on DD Form 293 and Part IV, Section A of this case report and directive. Minority views: NONE PART VII - BOARD ACTION SECTION B - Verification and Authentication Case report reviewed and verified Ms. McKim-Spilker Case...
ARMY | DRB | CY2005 | 20050005556
DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY Army Discharge Review Board 1901 South Bell Street Arlington, VA 22202-4508 2 December 2005 Office of the President After careful review of your application, military records and all other available evidence, the Army Discharge Review Board determined that you were properly and equitably discharged. Applicant's issue(s) of propriety and/or equity: ( X ) Same as those listed on DD Form 293 and Part IV, Section A of this case report and directive. Minority views:...
ARMY | DRB | CY2005 | 20050005570
Applicant's issue(s) of propriety and/or equity: ( X ) Same as those listed on DD Form 293 and Part IV, Section A of this case report and directive. Minority views: NONE PART VII - BOARD ACTION SECTION B - Verification and Authentication Case report reviewed and verified Ms. McKim-Spilker Case Reviewing Official PART VIII - DIRECTIVE/CERTIFICATION SECTION A - DIRECTIVE TO: ARBA Support Division-St Louis Date: 2 December 2005 The Army Discharge Review Board, established under the provisions...
ARMY | DRB | CY2005 | 20050005573
Remarks: NONE SECTION B - Prior Service Data NONE Other discharge(s): Service From To Type Discharge PART IV - PREHEARING REVIEW SECTION A-ANALYST’S ASSESSMENT l. Facts and Circumstances: a. Minority views: NONE PART VII - BOARD ACTION SECTION B - Verification and Authentication Case report reviewed and verified Ms. McKim-Spilker Case Reviewing Official PART VIII - DIRECTIVE/CERTIFICATION SECTION A - DIRECTIVE TO: ARBA Support Division-St Louis Date: 2 December 2005 The Army Discharge...
ARMY | DRB | CY2005 | 20050005576
DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY Army Discharge Review Board 1901 South Bell Street Arlington, VA 22202-4508 2 December 2005 Office of the President After careful review of your application, military records and all other available evidence, the Army Discharge Review Board determined that you were properly and equitably discharged. Applicant's issue(s) of propriety and/or equity: ( X ) Same as those listed on DD Form 293 and Part IV, Section A of this case report and directive. Minority views:...
ARMY | DRB | CY2005 | 20050005581
DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY Army Discharge Review Board 1901 South Bell Street Arlington, VA 22202-4508 2 December 2005 Office of the President After careful review of your application, military records and all other available evidence, the Army Discharge Review Board determined that you were properly and equitably discharged. Applicant's issue(s) of propriety and/or equity: ( X ) Same as those listed on DD Form 293 and Part IV, Section A of this case report and directive. Minority views:...
ARMY | DRB | CY2005 | 20050005586
Remarks: NONE SECTION B - Prior Service Data Other discharge(s): Service From To Type Discharge USN 890801 960930 Honorable PART IV - PREHEARING REVIEW SECTION A-ANALYST’S ASSESSMENT l. Facts and Circumstances: a. Minority views: NONE PART VII - BOARD ACTION SECTION B - Verification and Authentication Case report reviewed and verified Ms. McKim-Spilker Case Reviewing Official PART VIII - DIRECTIVE/CERTIFICATION SECTION A - DIRECTIVE TO: ARBA Support Division-St Louis Date: 16 December...
ARMY | DRB | CY2005 | 20050005686
Applicant's issue(s) of propriety and/or equity: ( X ) Same as those listed on DD Form 293 and Part IV, Section A of this case report and directive. Minority views: NONE PART VII - BOARD ACTION SECTION B - Verification and Authentication Case report reviewed and verified Ms. McKim-Spilker Case Reviewing Official PART VIII - DIRECTIVE/CERTIFICATION SECTION A - DIRECTIVE TO: ARBA Support Division-St Louis Date: 2 December 2005 The Army Discharge Review Board, established under the provisions...
ARMY | DRB | CY2005 | 20050005690
Applicant's issue(s) of propriety and/or equity: ( X ) Same as those listed on DD Form 293 and Part IV, Section A of this case report and directive. Minority views: NONE PART VII - BOARD ACTION SECTION B - Verification and Authentication Case report reviewed and verified Ms. McKim-Spilker Case Reviewing Official PART VIII - DIRECTIVE/CERTIFICATION SECTION A - DIRECTIVE TO: ARBA Support Division-St Louis Date: 9 December 2005 The Army Discharge Review Board, established under the provisions...
ARMY | DRB | CY2005 | 20050005697
Applicant's issue(s) of propriety and/or equity: ( X ) Same as those listed on DD Form 293 and Part IV, Section A of this case report and directive. Minority views: NONE PART VII - BOARD ACTION SECTION B - Verification and Authentication Case report reviewed and verified Ms. McKim-Spilker Case Reviewing Official PART VIII - DIRECTIVE/CERTIFICATION SECTION A - DIRECTIVE TO: ARBA Support Division-St Louis Date: 2 December 2005 The Army Discharge Review Board, established under the provisions...
ARMY | DRB | CY2005 | 20050005737
Applicant's issue(s) of propriety and/or equity: ( X ) Same as those listed on DD Form 293 and Part IV, Section A of this case report and directive. Minority views: NONE PART VII - BOARD ACTION SECTION B - Verification and Authentication Case report reviewed and verified Ms. McKim-Spilker Case Reviewing Official PART VIII - DIRECTIVE/CERTIFICATION SECTION A - DIRECTIVE TO: ARBA Support Division-St Louis Date: 16 December 2005 The Army Discharge Review Board, established under the provisions...
ARMY | DRB | CY2005 | 20050005760
Applicant's issue(s) of propriety and/or equity: ( X ) Same as those listed on DD Form 293 and Part IV, Section A of this case report and directive. Minority views: NONE PART VII - BOARD ACTION SECTION B - Verification and Authentication Case report reviewed and verified Ms. McKim-Spilker Case Reviewing Official PART VIII - DIRECTIVE/CERTIFICATION SECTION A - DIRECTIVE TO: ARBA Support Division-St Louis Date: 16 December 2005 The Army Discharge Review Board, established under the provisions...
ARMY | DRB | CY2005 | 20050005766
DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY Army Discharge Review Board 1901 South Bell Street Arlington, VA 22202-4508 2 December 2005 Office of the President After careful review of your application, military records and all other available evidence, the Army Discharge Review Board determined that you were properly and equitably discharged. Applicant's issue(s) of propriety and/or equity: ( X ) Same as those listed on DD Form 293 and Part IV, Section A of this case report and directive. Minority views:...
ARMY | DRB | CY2005 | 20050005817
The applicant states, in effect, that the governing regulations provide that in the case of an officer selected for promotion who elects to transfer to the Retired Reserve having completed the required number of years of service will be transferred in the recommended grade. He further indicates that while the applicant's promotion was pending Senate confirmation, the MOARNG TAG withdrew his support for the applicant's promotion and his name was removed from the promotion list. 10 USC 12771...
ARMY | DRB | CY2005 | 20050005885
The designated military operations and dates of eligibility for award of the Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal are specified in Army Regulation 600-8-22. The evidence shows that the applicant served in Panama throughout the period of his overseas service. The evidence does not support the applicant's contention that he is entitled to award of the Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal based on his overseas service at a time there was foreign conflict or action.
ARMY | DRB | CY2005 | 20050005894
Public Law 95-397, the RCSBP, enacted 30 September 1978, provided a way for those who had qualified for reserve retirement but were not yet age 60 to provide an annuity for their survivors should they die before reaching age 60. Three options are available: (A) elect to decline enrollment and choose at age 60 whether to start SBP participation; (B) elect that a beneficiary receive an annuity if they die before age 60 but delay payment of it until the date of the member’s 60th birthday; (C)...
ARMY | DRB | CY2005 | 20050005901
She is now requesting that the FSM's record be corrected to show he was retained on the TDRL and medically retired at the time of his death given his medical condition was obviously much more serious than the doctors thought when he was removed from the TDRL. The death of the FSM is truly unfortunate, and the applicant's claim is understandable because of the fact the condition for which the FSM was separated was a contributing factor in his death. The PEB findings and recommendations, to...
ARMY | DRB | CY2005 | 20050005943
On 11 May 1998, the applicant was discharged. Applicant's issue(s) of propriety and/or equity: ( X ) Same as those listed on DD Form 293 and Part IV, Section A of this case report and directive. Minority views: NONE PART VII - BOARD ACTION SECTION B - Verification and Authentication Case report reviewed and verified Ms. McKim-Spilker Case Reviewing Official PART VIII - DIRECTIVE/CERTIFICATION SECTION A - DIRECTIVE NONE SECTION B - CERTIFICATION Approval Authority: ROBERT L. HOUSE Colonel,...
ARMY | DRB | CY2005 | 20050006052
On 20 November 1975, the separation authority approved the applicant’s request for discharge and directed that he be issued an Undesirable Discharge Certificate. There is no evidence in his military record nor did the applicant submit any evidence in support of his allegation. Therefore, given the circumstances in this case and his overall undistinguished record of service, there is insufficient evidence to support his request at this time.
ARMY | DRB | CY2005 | 20050006132
Rowland C. Heflin | |Member | The Board considered the following evidence: Exhibit A - Application for correction of military records. The FSM retired on 1 October 1979. There is no evidence of record to show it was the FSM's intent to provide the SBP to the applicant.
ARMY | DRB | CY2005 | 20050006203
DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY Army Discharge Review Board 1901 South Bell Street Arlington, VA 22202-4508 2 December 2005 Office of the President After careful review of your application, military records and all other available evidence, the Army Discharge Review Board determined that you were properly and equitably discharged. Applicant's issue(s) of propriety and/or equity: ( X ) Same as those listed on DD Form 293 and Part IV, Section A of this case report and directive. Minority views:...
ARMY | DRB | CY2005 | 20050006220
The applicant provides the following documents in support of his application: Self-Authored Memorandum; Battalion Commander Memorandum of Support; DA Form 4836, dated 13 March 2003; Enlistment/Reenlistment Contract (DD Form 4, dated 18 May 1997; and Personnel Qualification Record (DA Form 2A). Table 2-3 outlines the authorized periods of reenlistment for USAR TPU Soldiers, and paragraph 2-4 contains guidance on the USAR Indefinite Reenlistment Program. As a result, the Board recommends...
ARMY | DRB | CY2005 | 20050006248
The applicant requests correction of his DD Form 214 (Certificate of Release or Discharge from Active Duty) to show award of the National Defense Service Medal; the Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal; the Global War on Terrorism Service Medal; the Overseas Service Ribbon; the Armed Forces Reserve Medal, with "M" Device; and the Meritorious Unit Commendation. Item 13, of the applicant’s DD Form 214, with an effective date of 20 January 2004, shows he was awarded the Army...
ARMY | DRB | CY2005 | 20050006326
The applicant requests that her medical discharge be changed to a medical retirement. On 15 July 2004, a formal PEB found the applicant unfit due to chronic low back pain with no focal neurological deficit with a 10 percent disability rating; unfit due to blood pressure elevations, some associated with headaches, that did not appear to be controlled with outpatient management, no evidence the applicant could do less than 10+ METs (metabolic equivalents), with a zero percent disability...
ARMY | DRB | CY2005 | 20050006362
Applicant's issue(s) of propriety and/or equity: ( X ) Same as those listed on DD Form 293 and Part IV, Section A of this case report and directive. Minority views: NONE PART VII - BOARD ACTION SECTION B - Verification and Authentication Case report reviewed and verified Ms. McKim-Spilker Case Reviewing Official PART VIII - DIRECTIVE/CERTIFICATION SECTION A - DIRECTIVE TO: ARBA Support Division-St Louis Date: 16 December 2005 The Army Discharge Review Board, established under the provisions...
ARMY | DRB | CY2005 | 20050006364
DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY Army Discharge Review Board 1901 South Bell Street Arlington, VA 22202-4508 9 December 2005 Office of the President After careful review of your application, military records and all other available evidence, the Army Discharge Review Board determined that you were properly and equitably discharged. Applicant's issue(s) of propriety and/or equity: ( X ) Same as those listed on DD Form 293 and Part IV, Section A of this case report and directive. Minority views:...
ARMY | DRB | CY2005 | 20050006367
Applicant's issue(s) of propriety and/or equity: ( X ) Same as those listed on DD Form 293 and Part IV, Section A of this case report and directive. Minority views: NONE PART VII - BOARD ACTION SECTION B - Verification and Authentication Case report reviewed and verified Ms. McKim-Spilker Case Reviewing Official PART VIII - DIRECTIVE/CERTIFICATION SECTION A - DIRECTIVE TO: ARBA Support Division-St Louis Date: 9 December 2005 The Army Discharge Review Board, established under the provisions...
ARMY | DRB | CY2005 | 20050006369
Applicant's issue(s) of propriety and/or equity: ( X ) Same as those listed on DD Form 293 and Part IV, Section A of this case report and directive. Minority views: NONE PART VII - BOARD ACTION SECTION B - Verification and Authentication Case report reviewed and verified Ms. McKim-Spilker Case Reviewing Official PART VIII - DIRECTIVE/CERTIFICATION SECTION A - DIRECTIVE TO: ARBA Support Division-St Louis Date: 16 December 2005 The Army Discharge Review Board, established under the provisions...
ARMY | DRB | CY2005 | 20050006370
Applicant's issue(s) of propriety and/or equity: ( X ) Same as those listed on DD Form 293 and Part IV, Section A of this case report and directive. Minority views: NONE PART VII - BOARD ACTION SECTION B - Verification and Authentication Case report reviewed and verified Ms. McKim-Spilker Case Reviewing Official PART VIII - DIRECTIVE/CERTIFICATION SECTION A - DIRECTIVE TO: ARBA Support Division-St Louis Date: 16 December 2005 The Army Discharge Review Board, established under the provisions...
ARMY | DRB | CY2005 | 20050006372
On 9 May 2002, the applicant was discharged. Applicant's issue(s) of propriety and/or equity: ( X ) Same as those listed on DD Form 293 and Part IV, Section A of this case report and directive. Minority views: NONE PART VII - BOARD ACTION SECTION B - Verification and Authentication Case report reviewed and verified Ms. McKim-Spilker Case Reviewing Official PART VIII - DIRECTIVE/CERTIFICATION SECTION A - DIRECTIVE TO: ARBA Support Division-St Louis Date: 9 December 2005 The Army Discharge...
ARMY | DRB | CY2005 | 20050006373
On 20 May 2002, the applicant was discharged. Minority views: NONE PART VII - BOARD ACTION SECTION B - Verification and Authentication Case report reviewed and verified Ms. McKim-Spilker Case Reviewing Official PART VIII - DIRECTIVE/CERTIFICATION SECTION A - DIRECTIVE TO: ARBA Support Division-St Louis Date: 9 December 2005 The Army Discharge Review Board, established under the provisions of Section 30, Public Law 346, 78th Congress, 22 June 1944 and codified as Title 10, United States...
ARMY | DRB | CY2005 | 20050006379
DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY Army Discharge Review Board 1901 South Bell Street Arlington, VA 22202-4508 9 December 2005 Office of the President After careful review of your application, military records and all other available evidence, the Army Discharge Review Board determined that you were properly and equitably discharged. Applicant's issue(s) of propriety and/or equity: ( X ) Same as those listed on DD Form 293 and Part IV, Section A of this case report and directive. Minority views:...
ARMY | DRB | CY2005 | 20050006388
DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY Army Discharge Review Board 1901 South Bell Street Arlington, VA 22202-4508 2 December 2005 Office of the President After careful review of your application, military records and all other available evidence, the Army Discharge Review Board determined that you were properly and equitably discharged. Applicant's issue(s) of propriety and/or equity: ( X ) Same as those listed on DD Form 293 and Part IV, Section A of this case report and directive. Minority views:...
ARMY | DRB | CY2005 | 20050006393
Applicant's issue(s) of propriety and/or equity: ( X ) Same as those listed on DD Form 293 and Part IV, Section A of this case report and directive. Minority views: NONE PART VII - BOARD ACTION SECTION B - Verification and Authentication Case report reviewed and verified Ms. McKim-Spilker Case Reviewing Official PART VIII - DIRECTIVE/CERTIFICATION SECTION A - DIRECTIVE TO: ARBA Support Division-St Louis Date: 9 December 2005 The Army Discharge Review Board, established under the provisions...
ARMY | DRB | CY2005 | 20050006397
Remarks: NONE SECTION B - Prior Service Data NONE Other discharge(s): Service From To Type Discharge PART IV - PREHEARING REVIEW SECTION A-ANALYST’S ASSESSMENT l. Facts and Circumstances: a. Applicant's issue(s) of propriety and/or equity: ( X ) Same as those listed on DD Form 293 and Part IV, Section A of this case report and directive. Minority views: NONE PART VII - BOARD ACTION SECTION B - Verification and Authentication Case report reviewed and verified Ms. McKim-Spilker Case...
ARMY | DRB | CY2005 | 20050006421
DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY Army Discharge Review Board 1901 South Bell Street Arlington, VA 22202-4508 9 December 2005 Office of the President After careful review of your application, military records and all other available evidence, the Army Discharge Review Board determined that you were properly and equitably discharged. Applicant's issue(s) of propriety and/or equity: ( X ) Same as those listed on DD Form 293 and Part IV, Section A of this case report and directive. Minority views:...
ARMY | DRB | CY2005 | 20050006428
DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY Army Discharge Review Board 1901 South Bell Street Arlington, VA 22202-4508 16 December 2005 Office of the President After careful review of your application, military records and all other available evidence, the Army Discharge Review Board determined that you were properly and equitably discharged. Applicant's issue(s) of propriety and/or equity: ( X ) Same as those listed on DD Form 293 and Part IV, Section A of this case report and directive. Minority views:...
ARMY | DRB | CY2005 | 20050006435
DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY Army Discharge Review Board 1901 South Bell Street Arlington, VA 22202-4508 9 December 2005 Office of the President After careful review of your application, military records and all other available evidence, the Army Discharge Review Board determined that you were properly and equitably discharged. Applicant's issue(s) of propriety and/or equity: ( X ) Same as those listed on DD Form 293 and Part IV, Section A of this case report and directive. Minority views:...
ARMY | DRB | CY2005 | 20050006439
Applicant's issue(s) of propriety and/or equity: ( X ) Same as those listed on DD Form 293 and Part IV, Section A of this case report and directive. Minority views: NONE PART VII - BOARD ACTION SECTION B - Verification and Authentication Case report reviewed and verified Ms. McKim-Spilker Case Reviewing Official PART VIII - DIRECTIVE/CERTIFICATION SECTION A - DIRECTIVE TO: ARBA Support Division-St Louis Date: 9 December 2005 The Army Discharge Review Board, established under the provisions...
ARMY | DRB | CY2005 | 20050006538
(Separation Date This Period), of the applicant's DD Form 214, shows the applicant was released from active duty on 25 May 1990; however, it is apparent this date is incorrect since the applicant entered this period of service on 6 December 1990. b. Item 12c (Net Active Service This Period), of the DD Form 214 provided the applicant on 22 November 1989, to show he completed 3 years, 11 months, and 27 days net active service during his enlistment in the Regular Army; b. Item 12b (Separation...
ARMY | DRB | CY2005 | 20050006574
The applicant requests, in effect, reconsideration of his application for correction of his father's record to show his unit of assignment, at the time of his death, was the 61st Field Artillery Regiment (Philippine Army (PA)) and not, the 23rd Field Artillery Regiment (Philippine Scouts (PS)). Item 9 of the Proceedings states that documents from the Center for Military History have no references to the 61st Field Artillery Regiment (PA) but, the applicant states, this is not correct as...
ARMY | DRB | CY2005 | 20050006584
Rowland C. Heflin | |Member | The Board considered the following evidence: Exhibit A - Application for correction of military records. The applicant states, in effect, that he was in combat in the Philippines in 1945 but, his discharge says nothing about the Combat Infantryman Badge. As a result, the Board recommends that all Department of the Army records of the individual concerned be corrected by: a. deleting the Victory Ribbon and the APT Ribbon, with one bronze service star, from the...
ARMY | DRB | CY2005 | 20050006610
DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY Army Discharge Review Board 1901 South Bell Street Arlington, VA 22202-4508 16 December 2005 Office of the President After careful review of your application, military records and all other available evidence, the Army Discharge Review Board determined that you were properly and equitably discharged. Applicant's issue(s) of propriety and/or equity: ( X ) Same as those listed on DD Form 293 and Part IV, Section A of this case report and directive. Minority views:...
ARMY | DRB | CY2005 | 20050006611
Applicant's issue(s) of propriety and/or equity: ( X ) Same as those listed on DD Form 293 and Part IV, Section A of this case report and directive. Minority views: NONE PART VII - BOARD ACTION SECTION B - Verification and Authentication Case report reviewed and verified Ms. McKim-Spilker Case Reviewing Official PART VIII - DIRECTIVE/CERTIFICATION SECTION A - DIRECTIVE TO: ARBA Support Division-St Louis Date: 16 December 2005 The Army Discharge Review Board, established under the provisions...
ARMY | DRB | CY2005 | 20050006613
DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY Army Discharge Review Board 1901 South Bell Street Arlington, VA 22202-4508 16 December 2005 Office of the President After careful review of your application, military records and all other available evidence, the Army Discharge Review Board determined that you were properly and equitably discharged. Applicant's issue(s) of propriety and/or equity: ( X ) Same as those listed on DD Form 293 and Part IV, Section A of this case report and directive. Minority views:...
ARMY | DRB | CY2005 | 20050006617
On undated, the separation authority waived further rehabilitative efforts and directed that the applicant be discharged with a characterization of service of general, under honorable conditions. Minority views: NONE PART VII - BOARD ACTION SECTION B - Verification and Authentication Case report reviewed and verified Ms. McKim-Spilker Case Reviewing Official PART VIII - DIRECTIVE/CERTIFICATION SECTION A - DIRECTIVE TO: ARBA Support Division-St Louis Date: 23 December 2005 The Army Discharge...
ARMY | DRB | CY2005 | 20050006623
Remarks: NONE SECTION B - Prior Service Data NONE Other discharge(s): Service From To Type Discharge PART IV - PREHEARING REVIEW SECTION A-ANALYST’S ASSESSMENT l. Facts and Circumstances: a. Applicant's issue(s) of propriety and/or equity: ( X ) Same as those listed on DD Form 293 and Part IV, Section A of this case report and directive. Minority views: NONE PART VII - BOARD ACTION SECTION B - Verification and Authentication Case report reviewed and verified Ms. McKim-Spilker Case...
ARMY | DRB | CY2005 | 20050006624
His DD Form 214 indicates that he was released from active duty and discharged from the Reserve of the Army under the provisions of Chapter 11, AR 635-200 by reason of entry level performance and conduct, with an uncharacterized discharge. Applicant's issue(s) of propriety and/or equity: ( X ) Same as those listed on DD Form 293 and Part IV, Section A of this case report and directive. Minority views: NONE PART VII - BOARD ACTION SECTION B - Verification and Authentication Case report...